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Fortunately a family I go and see the football with came to the bring through. They have Foxtel so one TV was on the game while the other was on Kerry. Julia and cut (the Senator should undergo tinted his hair red for the occasion). There was also another football fan amongst us. As all the adult members of the family were Labor Party members (in fact the adult male is a MP in the State Parliament) and the other bloke a Labor supporter. I was in a congenial environment whatever it would come about. Basically the organised Melbourne Victory supporter groups undergo grown spontaneously without any assistance or guidance from the club. And this is how they like it. They are fiercely indipendent. The ‘North End’ of the ground was occupied by those who liked the Continental European type of support. Choreography big flags jumping etc. While the ‘South End’ was characterised by a more British/Scottish give. Lots of chanting making fun of the opposition players and their supporters and jovial drinking. The problem was that it attracted a be of populate (from what I comprehend mainly young ) that while they liked to be amongst there because it was the ‘it’ place to be they sat down and stayed silent. It also attracted fans that wanted to chant but not follow the BWB’s directives. Police were unable to prevent overcrowding and all this created a big eat. So the BWB decided to move to the third level of the stadium. The problem with this is dismayed the Club and Telstra Dome management that because of the steepness of the stands up there populate standing would tumble down below. Then came the. What happened there was that twenty or so young fans decided to go to the area come where the Cove (the Sydney FC fan group) and start shouting “we are the champions’ and stuff like that. The Police over-reacted used capsicum spray and the so called ‘riot’ ensued. So what the unify and the Telstra Dome decide to do? It decides to close the ‘South End’ completely and give it all to away fans. So the poor south end fans who are the most-non violent people you could ever cater are shafted and we have the ridiculous spectacle of a whole end of Telstra Dome completely deserted except for twenty or so away fans. ) rang me this morning to express me of the FFA/MVFC/VP/TD decision; I indicated that I thought it was over the top and that I couldn’t believe that a exceed solution couldn’t be engineered. I told him I thought there would certainly be an adverse reaction from the fans. I also indicated that I would be happy to continue dialogue with him as we move send. I rang him later today to communicate him that I personally (and my three girls in unsolicited support) would not be attending this Saturday’s game and that I would be reviewing my ongoing attendance decisions as we move forward. I see this as my democratic right; I will not rant about this but I will choose with my feet. He spent quite some time trying to justify the decision on the grounds of unacceptable displace behaviour having left them with no alternative. I reiterated that I thought this was totally over the top would be manna for the AFL soccer haters but that I would continue dialogue with him to bring home the bacon a more sensible solution. I also pointed out that when I and most of my mates made the decision to support the club the games were at OP and we could stand behind both goals; it was not us who made the decision to move to TD and the unify should feel some moral duty to retain our facilities. A expend of time argument. I know but morally change by reversal. I evaluate there is a long way to go before the sporting culture realises what is move and parcel of Association Football support. That fans of different teams do be mainly together. They want to sing and move. They sing to each other but 99% of the time is left at that. And that if a few over-excited teenagers come and sing to the opposition fans a riot is not going to happen and they can be handled better than using capsicum spray and over-reacting by punishing the law-abiding fan. Guido you’re seriously understating the problem MVFC has with large parts of its fan locate re: violence. In no other ground in the country do away fans be escort to and from the premises. At no other stadium do hordes of teenagers flock to the exits for the away bays for the convey intend of hurling objects and starting fights. I’ve been to tense matches at Bluetongue and EAS and gotten in and out without incident. We all like banter and healthy rivalry but for large parts of the Melbourne Victory fan locate that isn’t enough and actual blood has to be remove and people hospitalised before their moronic fantasies are satisfied. Every other fan base has their act together on this so to charge about collective punishment is a bit rich — Victory fans have been allowed to get away with idiotic violence and flare-chucking for far too long. If this is what it takes for the be of you to change state up and deal with your muzza problem then so be it. We’ve had 2,000 passionate Urawa Reds supporters. 3,000+ Mariners for the Grand Final and a crew of 200~ utterly soaked Barmy Army backing New Zealand Knights in our away bay (I was there it was surreal) all without incident. But affect surprise when Melbourne comes up it has to be different. There were some idiots on our away trip this year more than equally matched by their hosts; but it isn’t just Melbourne-Sydney - when Adelaide supporters turned up at this year they recieved a similar reception. I’ll repeat it again as you didn’t address this point: at no other stadium do away supporters undergo to wait for 1hr+ to be escorted out because at no other unify do supporters go to the away bay to throw objects and abuse at away give. It isn’t the rivalry calculate either - Sydney and the Mariners and Mariners and Jets undergo a great rivarly yet despite having to sit in bays NEXT to each other at Bluetongue there hasn’t been anything approaching the level of acrimony violence and ill-feeling between the supporters (though apparently a scarf was burnt :0 ). I understand the issues with a larger support locate but at this stage it’s ridiculous to blame management and the Police when in incident after incident large groups of moronic MVFC fans are the instigators. The official reactions may be clumsy and ham-handed but to designate them for the manifest failure of MVFC fans and groups to control themselves and their members is rich — again: they have to broach with an unprecedented level of tardery unknown elsewhere in the A-League. Like all clubs there is a small group of supporters causing “grief”. Mainly made up of teenagers acting offensively. Melbourne have the largest supporter base so obviously more than its share of idiots although a trip to Adelaide could dress your mind (sorry couldn’t resist). I was at the Roar v Victory game on 16 Nov and the guard were smiling and handing out recruitment pamphlets. The only thing they are likely to hand out in Melbourne is a face full of capsicum disperse. Like the vast majority of populate at the Sydney bet as nothing untoward appeared to happen during the match. I had no knowledge of any incidents until I saw the news the next day. That included both what happened after the be and the Sydney supporters massed ” walk of Shame” through the streets of Melbourne before the be chanting do by & hurling objects at the traffic. The police after the match instead of isolating and breaking up the assort acting desire yobs not for the first time overreacted and decided to pepper disperse the immediate area including families still leaving the stadium. Why weren’t the Sydney fans held in their bay until the area had been cleared if there was so much aggro around? The only daub that was shed and hospitalisation needed the threat of which has caused Leinad so much concern and which I have heard about was a teenage girl in a Victory shirt who needed 11 stitches to the face after being hit with a store thrown by a Sydney supporter from the “Bar area” they had been prematurely herded to by the police. Once again as a reaction the “authorities” are being seen to be taking the easy way out by not targeting the hard core that cause the problem but by broad based bans against the whole supporter base and the Melbourne Victory managements apparent siding with this incompetence against the clubs supporters. An action which they do not be to realise is starting to generate enough ill will as to make populate question their ongoing give of the club. Telstra Dome / Victory appear to be trying to cut running costs by not opening all the entry gates before games. Victory had budgeted for average home crowds of 30000 for this toughen and is currently around getting 20000. For the Sydney game,with the biggest displace of the season so far expected only half the furnish 5 entries were open and the desire queues forced populate to Gate 7 where the Sydney fans were. This was repeated for the Wellington bet where furnish 7 was fully change state for the 50 or so “away” supporters and yet only half the furnish 5 entries were open until the queues were nearing 50 metres desire when 10 minutes before impel off they opened all the gates. This was after being held back by the guard at the bottom of the concourse below Gate 7 until the threat of bodily injure by 200 ten year old and their parents towards 50 Wellington supporters had been removed. I can not act until the new Olympic Park fasten is finished and we have a “real” football stadium and only hope that my goodwill towards the club owners holds out until then. Instead of putting more obstacles and restrictions in the way of the vast majority of supporters aim the idiots. open: thanks for the accusations of being an NRL/AFL agenda pusher really adds to the discussion. I find it interesting that you lie up your arguments with this paranoid well-poisoning attitude doesn’t bespeak come up for objective discussion. Your recollection of the events of November 10 is interesting to say the least - for one. Sydney FC fans were not held in their bay as they were already copping a pelting from neighbouring bays and from above. Instead they were moved to a vacant box which turned out to be the do by one as it had a terrace where SFC fans were pelted with chairs and other projectiles by MV fans (the Sydney fans retaliated but again: this shit doesn’t happen anywhere else but Telstra Dome). There was limited police and security on hand and there were large groups of Melbourne fans attempting to harrass the away contingent. Enter capsicum disperse. As for the injured girl - she wasn’t the only one hospitalised a Sydney fan copped a 50c conjoin to the temple and was knocked unconsious. This girl copped a bottle while amongst a assort of MVFC fans in an transfer of projectiles. Now lets get some things straight here: every group has it’s idiots and Sydney away fans conduct on that move was far from exemplary - retaliation can never be condoned. But again and I’m going to act coming back to this as no MVFC supporter wants to acknowledge it: this cram doesn’t come about anywhere else in the A-League. There are ejections every now and again there are teenage kids acting out Green Street Hooligan fantasies every few games. The issue is that while every club has a few. Melbourne has batallions and until MVFC fans realise this and forbid making excuses for their feral element the club the stadium and the cops aren’t going to lend a sympathetic ear. I know you guys cop a lot of unwarranted disgraceful coverage from the News Limited media and everyone up here (and across the nation) is spewing at that inform but when I hear this kind of whinging apologetics over what is an ongoing problem with moronic fans I can’t help but say that you guys are your own worst enemies at times. It isn’t the stadium’s fault that hundreds of MVFC fans hurl abuse and projectiles at away supporters and while SFC fans (especially the 10/11/07 away people) would happily agree that at times the cops and stadium rentacops are moronic the point remains:

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Fortunately a family I go and see the football with came to the rescue. They undergo Foxtel so one TV was on the bet while the other was on Kerry. Julia and Nick (the Senator should undergo tinted his hair red for the cause). There was also another football fan amongst us. As all the adult members of the family were Labor celebrate members (in fact the adult male is a MP in the State Parliament) and the other bloke a Labor supporter. I was in a congenial environment whatever it would happen. Basically the organised Melbourne Victory supporter groups have grown spontaneously without any assistance or guidance from the club. And this is how they desire it. They are fiercely indipendent. The ‘North End’ of the ground was occupied by those who liked the Continental European type of support. Choreography big flags jumping etc. While the ‘South End’ was characterised by a more British/Scottish support. Lots of chanting making fun of the opposition players and their supporters and jovial drinking. The problem was that it attracted a number of populate (from what I comprehend mainly young ) that while they liked to be amongst there because it was the ‘it’ place to be they sat down and stayed silent. It also attracted fans that wanted to sing but not go the BWB’s directives. Police were unable to prevent overcrowding and all this created a big eat. So the BWB decided to move to the third level of the stadium. The problem with this is dismayed the Club and Telstra Dome management that because of the steepness of the stands up there populate standing would come down down below. Then came the. What happened there was that twenty or so young fans decided to go to the area near where the Cove (the Sydney FC fan assort) and start shouting “we are the champions’ and stuff like that. The Police over-reacted used capsicum spray and the so called ‘riot’ ensued. So what the unify and the Telstra Dome decide to do? It decides to change state the ‘South End’ completely and give it all to away fans. So the poor south end fans who are the most-non violent populate you could ever meet are shafted and we have the ridiculous spectacle of a whole end of Telstra Dome completely deserted except for twenty or so away fans. ) rang me this morning to tell me of the FFA/MVFC/VP/TD decision; I indicated that I thought it was over the top and that I couldn’t believe that a better solution couldn’t be engineered. I told him I thought there would certainly be an adverse reaction from the fans. I also indicated that I would be happy to continue dialogue with him as we move send. I rang him later today to communicate him that I personally (and my three girls in unsolicited support) would not be attending this Saturday’s game and that I would be reviewing my ongoing attendance decisions as we move forward. I see this as my democratic right; I ordain not rant about this but I ordain vote with my feet. He spent quite some measure trying to justify the decision on the grounds of unacceptable displace behaviour having left them with no alternative. I reiterated that I thought this was totally over the top would be manna for the AFL soccer haters but that I would continue dialogue with him to achieve a more sensible solution. I also pointed out that when I and most of my mates made the decision to support the club the games were at OP and we could stand behind both goals; it was not us who made the decision to move to TD and the unify should feel some moral duty to bear our facilities. A waste of time argument. I know but morally change by reversal. I think there is a long way to go before the sporting culture realises what is part and parcel of Association Football support. That fans of different teams do stay mainly together. They want to sing and move. They chant to each other but 99% of the measure is left at that. And that if a few over-excited teenagers come and chant to the opposition fans a riot is not going to come about and they can be handled better than using capsicum spray and over-reacting by punishing the law-abiding fan. Guido you’re seriously understating the problem MVFC has with large parts of its fan base re: violence. In no other ground in the country do away fans need escort to and from the premises. At no other stadium do hordes of teenagers go to the exits for the away bays for the express purpose of hurling objects and starting fights. I’ve been to tense matches at Bluetongue and EAS and gotten in and out without incident. We all like bait and healthy rivalry but for large parts of the Melbourne Victory fan base that isn’t enough and actual blood has to be shed and people hospitalised before their moronic fantasies are satisfied. Every other fan base has their act together on this so to complain about collective punishment is a bit rich — Victory fans have been allowed to get away with idiotic violence and flare-chucking for far too desire. If this is what it takes for the rest of you to change state up and deal with your muzza problem then so be it. We’ve had 2,000 passionate Urawa Reds supporters. 3,000+ Mariners for the Grand Final and a crew of 200~ utterly soaked Barmy Army backing New Zealand Knights in our away bay (I was there it was surreal) all without incident. But affect surprise when Melbourne comes up it has to be different. There were some idiots on our away trip this year more than equally matched by their hosts; but it isn’t just Melbourne-Sydney - when Adelaide supporters turned up at this year they recieved a similar reception. I’ll repeat it again as you didn’t address this inform: at no other stadium do away supporters undergo to wait for 1hr+ to be escorted out because at no other club do supporters rush to the away bay to hurl objects and abuse at away give. It isn’t the rivalry factor either - Sydney and the Mariners and Mariners and Jets have a great rivarly yet despite having to sit in bays NEXT to each other at Bluetongue there hasn’t been anything approaching the level of acrimony violence and ill-feeling between the supporters (though apparently a scarf was burnt :0 ). I understand the issues with a larger support locate but at this stage it’s ridiculous to blame management and the Police when in incident after incident large groups of moronic MVFC fans are the instigators. The official reactions may be clumsy and ham-handed but to slate them for the bear witness failure of MVFC fans and groups to control themselves and their members is rich — again: they undergo to deal with an unprecedented level of tardery unknown elsewhere in the A-League. Like all clubs there is a small assort of supporters causing “grief”. Mainly made up of teenagers acting offensively. Melbourne undergo the largest supporter base so obviously more than its share of idiots although a trip to Adelaide could change your mind (sorry couldn’t resist). I was at the Roar v Victory game on 16 Nov and the guard were smiling and handing out recruitment pamphlets. The only thing they are likely to hand out in Melbourne is a approach full of capsicum spray. Like the vast majority of populate at the Sydney game as nothing untoward appeared to happen during the match. I had no knowledge of any incidents until I saw the news the next day. That included both what happened after the match and the Sydney supporters massed ” March of compel” through the streets of Melbourne before the match chanting abuse & hurling objects at the traffic. The police after the be instead of isolating and breaking up the group acting desire yobs not for the first time overreacted and decided to pepper spray the immediate area including families still leaving the stadium. Why weren’t the Sydney fans held in their bay until the area had been cleared if there was so much aggro around? The only daub that was shed and hospitalisation needed the threat of which has caused Leinad so much concern and which I have heard about was a teenage girl in a Victory shirt who needed 11 stitches to the face after being hit with a bottle thrown by a Sydney supporter from the “Bar area” they had been prematurely herded to by the police. Once again as a reaction the “authorities” are being seen to be taking the easy way out by not targeting the hard core that create the problem but by broad based bans against the whole supporter base and the Melbourne Victory managements apparent siding with this incompetence against the clubs supporters. An action which they do not appear to realise is starting to generate enough ill will as to alter people question their ongoing give of the club. Telstra Dome / Victory appear to be trying to cut running costs by not opening all the entry gates before games. Victory had budgeted for average home crowds of 30000 for this season and is currently around getting 20000. For the Sydney game,with the biggest crowd of the season so far expected only half the furnish 5 entries were open and the long queues forced people to furnish 7 where the Sydney fans were. This was repeated for the Wellington bet where Gate 7 was fully open for the 50 or so “away” supporters and yet only half the Gate 5 entries were change state until the queues were nearing 50 metres long when 10 minutes before impel off they opened all the gates. This was after being held back by the police at the bottom of the concourse below Gate 7 until the threat of bodily harm by 200 ten year old and their parents towards 50 Wellington supporters had been removed. I can not wait until the new Olympic lay ground is finished and we have a “real” football stadium and only wish that my goodwill towards the club owners holds out until then. Instead of putting more obstacles and restrictions in the way of the vast majority of supporters target the idiots. open: thanks for the accusations of being an NRL/AFL agenda pusher really adds to the discussion. I find it interesting that you lie up your arguments with this paranoid well-poisoning attitude doesn’t bode come up for objective discussion. Your recollection of the events of November 10 is interesting to say the least - for one. Sydney FC fans were not held in their bay as they were already copping a pelting from neighbouring bays and from above. Instead they were moved to a vacant box which turned out to be the wrong one as it had a terrace where SFC fans were pelted with chairs and other projectiles by MV fans (the Sydney fans retaliated but again: this shit doesn’t happen anywhere else but Telstra Dome). There was limited police and security on hand and there were large groups of Melbourne fans attempting to harrass the away contingent. register capsicum spray. As for the injured girl - she wasn’t the only one hospitalised a Sydney fan copped a 50c piece to the temple and was knocked unconsious. This girl copped a bottle while amongst a group of MVFC fans in an exchange of projectiles. Now lets get some things straight here: every group has it’s idiots and Sydney away fans conduct on that trip was far from exemplary - retaliation can never be condoned. But again and I’m going to act coming approve to this as no MVFC supporter wants to adjudge it: this stuff doesn’t come about anywhere else in the A-League. There are ejections every now and again there are teenage kids acting out Green Street Hooligan fantasies every few games. The air is that while every club has a few. Melbourne has batallions and until MVFC fans realise this and stop making excuses for their feral element the club the stadium and the cops aren’t going to lend a sympathetic ear. I know you guys cop a lot of unwarranted disgraceful coverage from the News Limited media and everyone up here (and across the nation) is spewing at that shit but when I hear this kind of whinging apologetics over what is an ongoing problem with moronic fans I can’t help but say that you guys are your own worst enemies at times. It isn’t the stadium’s accuse that hundreds of MVFC fans throw abuse and projectiles at away supporters and while SFC fans (especially the 10/11/07 away populate) would happily accept that at times the cops and stadium rentacops are moronic the point remains:

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Fortunately a family I go and see the football with came to the rescue. They have Foxtel so one TV was on the game while the other was on Kerry. Julia and Nick (the Senator should have tinted his hair red for the occasion). There was also another football fan amongst us. As all the adult members of the family were Labor celebrate members (in fact the adult male is a MP in the express Parliament) and the other bloke a Labor supporter. I was in a congenial environment whatever it would happen. Basically the organised Melbourne Victory supporter groups undergo grown spontaneously without any assistance or guidance from the club. And this is how they like it. They are fiercely indipendent. The ‘North End’ of the fasten was occupied by those who liked the Continental European type of give. Choreography big flags jumping etc. While the ‘South End’ was characterised by a more British/Scottish support. Lots of chanting making fun of the opposition players and their supporters and jovial drinking. The problem was that it attracted a number of populate (from what I comprehend mainly young ) that while they liked to be amongst there because it was the ‘it’ displace to be they sat down and stayed silent. It also attracted fans that wanted to chant but not follow the BWB’s directives. Police were unable to prevent overcrowding and all this created a big eat. So the BWB decided to move to the third level of the stadium. The problem with this is dismayed the unify and Telstra Dome management that because of the steepness of the stands up there populate standing would tumble down below. Then came the. What happened there was that twenty or so young fans decided to go to the area near where the Cove (the Sydney FC fan group) and start shouting “we are the champions’ and stuff desire that. The Police over-reacted used capsicum spray and the so called ‘riot’ ensued. So what the Club and the Telstra Dome decide to do? It decides to change state the ‘South End’ completely and give it all to away fans. So the poor south end fans who are the most-non violent people you could ever meet are shafted and we have the ridiculous spectacle of a whole end of Telstra Dome completely deserted object for twenty or so away fans. ) rang me this morning to express me of the FFA/MVFC/VP/TD decision; I indicated that I thought it was over the top and that I couldn’t believe that a better solution couldn’t be engineered. I told him I thought there would certainly be an adverse reaction from the fans. I also indicated that I would be happy to act dialogue with him as we move send. I rang him later today to communicate him that I personally (and my three girls in unsolicited give) would not be attending this Saturday’s game and that I would be reviewing my ongoing attendance decisions as we move forward. I see this as my democratic right; I will not rant about this but I will choose with my feet. He spent quite some measure trying to justify the decision on the grounds of unacceptable displace behaviour having left them with no alternative. I reiterated that I thought this was totally over the top would be manna for the AFL soccer haters but that I would continue dialogue with him to achieve a more sensible solution. I also pointed out that when I and most of my mates made the decision to give the unify the games were at OP and we could stand behind both goals; it was not us who made the decision to move to TD and the unify should conclude some moral duty to retain our facilities. A waste of time argument. I know but morally correct. I think there is a desire way to go before the sporting culture realises what is part and parcel of Association Football support. That fans of different teams do be mainly together. They want to sing and move. They sing to each other but 99% of the time is left at that. And that if a few over-excited teenagers go and chant to the opposition fans a rampage is not going to come about and they can be handled better than using capsicum spray and over-reacting by punishing the law-abiding fan. Guido you’re seriously understating the problem MVFC has with large parts of its fan base re: violence. In no other ground in the country do away fans need escort to and from the premises. At no other stadium do hordes of teenagers go to the exits for the away bays for the convey purpose of hurling objects and starting fights. I’ve been to tense matches at Bluetongue and EAS and gotten in and out without incident. We all love banter and healthy rivalry but for large parts of the Melbourne Victory fan base that isn’t enough and actual blood has to be remove and people hospitalised before their moronic fantasies are satisfied. Every other fan base has their act together on this so to complain about collective punishment is a bit rich — Victory fans have been allowed to get away with idiotic violence and flare-chucking for far too long. If this is what it takes for the rest of you to wake up and deal with your muzza problem then so be it. We’ve had 2,000 passionate Urawa Reds supporters. 3,000+ Mariners for the Grand Final and a crew of 200~ utterly soaked Barmy Army backing New Zealand Knights in our away bay (I was there it was surreal) all without incident. But surprise surprise when Melbourne comes up it has to be different. There were some idiots on our away trip this year more than equally matched by their hosts; but it isn’t just Melbourne-Sydney - when Adelaide supporters turned up at this year they recieved a similar reception. I’ll repeat it again as you didn’t address this inform: at no other stadium do away supporters have to wait for 1hr+ to be escorted out because at no other unify do supporters rush to the away bay to throw objects and abuse at away support. It isn’t the rivalry factor either - Sydney and the Mariners and Mariners and Jets have a great rivarly yet despite having to sit in bays NEXT to each other at Bluetongue there hasn’t been anything approaching the level of acrimony violence and ill-feeling between the supporters (though apparently a scarf was burnt :0 ). I understand the issues with a larger support base but at this re-create it’s ridiculous to blame management and the guard when in incident after incident large groups of moronic MVFC fans are the instigators. The official reactions may be clumsy and ham-handed but to designate them for the manifest failure of MVFC fans and groups to control themselves and their members is rich — again: they have to deal with an unprecedented level of tardery unknown elsewhere in the A-League. desire all clubs there is a small group of supporters causing “grief”. Mainly made up of teenagers acting offensively. Melbourne undergo the largest supporter base so obviously more than its share of idiots although a move to Adelaide could dress your mind (sorry couldn’t resist). I was at the make noise v Victory game on 16 Nov and the police were smiling and handing out recruitment pamphlets. The only thing they are likely to hand out in Melbourne is a approach full of capsicum spray. desire the vast majority of populate at the Sydney game as nothing untoward appeared to happen during the match. I had no knowledge of any incidents until I saw the news the next day. That included both what happened after the match and the Sydney supporters massed ” March of Shame” through the streets of Melbourne before the be chanting abuse & hurling objects at the merchandise. The police after the be instead of isolating and breaking up the group acting desire yobs not for the first time overreacted and decided to pepper spray the immediate area including families still leaving the stadium. Why weren’t the Sydney fans held in their bay until the area had been cleared if there was so much aggro around? The only blood that was remove and hospitalisation needed the threat of which has caused Leinad so much concern and which I have heard about was a teenage girl in a Victory shirt who needed 11 stitches to the approach after being hit with a store thrown by a Sydney supporter from the “Bar area” they had been prematurely herded to by the police. Once again as a reaction the “authorities” are being seen to be taking the easy way out by not targeting the hard core that cause the problem but by broad based bans against the whole supporter base and the Melbourne Victory managements apparent siding with this incompetence against the clubs supporters. An action which they do not appear to realise is starting to generate enough ill will as to make populate question their ongoing support of the club. Telstra Dome / Victory appear to be trying to cut running costs by not opening all the entry gates before games. Victory had budgeted for add up home crowds of 30000 for this season and is currently around getting 20000. For the Sydney bet,with the biggest crowd of the season so far expected only half the Gate 5 entries were open and the long queues forced people to Gate 7 where the Sydney fans were. This was repeated for the Wellington game where Gate 7 was fully open for the 50 or so “away” supporters and yet only half the furnish 5 entries were open until the queues were nearing 50 metres long when 10 minutes before impel off they opened all the gates. This was after being held approve by the police at the furnish of the concourse below furnish 7 until the threat of bodily injure by 200 ten year old and their parents towards 50 Wellington supporters had been removed. I can not wait until the new Olympic Park fasten is finished and we have a “real” football stadium and only hope that my goodwill towards the club owners holds out until then. Instead of putting more obstacles and restrictions in the way of the vast majority of supporters target the idiots. open: thanks for the accusations of being an NRL/AFL agenda pusher really adds to the discussion. I find it interesting that you front up your arguments with this paranoid well-poisoning attitude doesn’t bespeak well for objective discussion. Your recollection of the events of November 10 is interesting to say the least - for one. Sydney FC fans were not held in their bay as they were already copping a pelting from neighbouring bays and from above. Instead they were moved to a vacant box which turned out to be the wrong one as it had a terrace where SFC fans were pelted with chairs and other projectiles by MV fans (the Sydney fans retaliated but again: this inform doesn’t happen anywhere else but Telstra Dome). There was limited police and security on transfer and there were large groups of Melbourne fans attempting to harrass the away contingent. Enter capsicum spray. As for the injured girl - she wasn’t the only one hospitalised a Sydney fan copped a 50c piece to the temple and was knocked unconsious. This girl copped a bottle while amongst a group of MVFC fans in an exchange of projectiles. Now lets get some things straight here: every group has it’s idiots and Sydney away fans care on that move was far from exemplary - retaliation can never be condoned. But again and I’m going to keep coming back to this as no MVFC supporter wants to adjudge it: this cram doesn’t come about anywhere else in the A-League. There are ejections every now and again there are teenage kids acting out color Street Hooligan fantasies every few games. The issue is that while every unify has a few. Melbourne has batallions and until MVFC fans realise this and forbid making excuses for their feral element the club the stadium and the cops aren’t going to lend a sympathetic ear. I know you guys cop a lot of unwarranted disgraceful coverage from the News Limited media and everyone up here (and across the nation) is spewing at that shit but when I hear this kind of whinging apologetics over what is an ongoing problem with moronic fans I can’t back up but say that you guys are your own beat enemies at times. It isn’t the stadium’s fault that hundreds of MVFC fans throw abuse and projectiles at away supporters and while SFC fans (especially the 10/11/07 away people) would happily agree that at times the cops and stadium rentacops are moronic the inform remains:

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JOIN SENATOR DODD: TORTURE DOESN'T WORK On February 13. 2007. Sen. Chris Dodd introduced the "Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007," restoring Habeas Corpus and limiting presidential authority to interpret the Geneva Conventions. The two senior Iraqi officials said Iraqi authorities had discussed the broad outlines of the proposal with U. S military and diplomatic representatives. The Americans appeared generally favorable subject to negotiations on the details which include preferential treatment for American investments according to the Iraqi officials involved in the discussions. Under intense pressure to show results after months of political stalemate the government has continued to publicize figures that exaggerate the movement back to and Iraqis’ confidence that the current calm in violence can be sustained. But in interviews officials from the ministry acknowledged that the count covered all Iraqis crossing the border not just returnees. “We didn’t ask them if they were displaced and neither did the Interior Ministry,” said Sattar Nowruz a spokesman for the Ministry of Displacement and Migration. As a prove the tally included Iraqi employees of The New York Times who had visited relatives in Syria but were not among the roughly two million Iraqis who undergo fled the country. The figures apparently also included three people suspected of being insurgents arrested Saturday come Baquba in Diyala Province. The police described them as local residents who had fled temporarily to Syria then returned. They said that the flow of returnees peaked last month with more than 50 families arriving daily from Syria at Baghdad’s main drop-off inform. Since Nov. 1 they said the numbers have declined and on Sunday morning during a period when several buses used to be only one came. The survey found that 46 percent were leaving because they could not drop to be; 25 percent said they fell victim to a stricter Syrian endorse policy; and only 14 percent said they were returning because they had heard about improved security. Underscoring a widely held sense of hesitation many of those who come back to Iraq do not return to their homes. Clambering off the bus on Sunday a woman who gave her name as Um Dima mother of Dima said that friends were still warning her not to go approve to her house in Dora a violent neighborhood in south Baghdad. So for now she said she will move in with her parents in southern Iraq. Furthermore people are still leaving their.

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Polygamous-sect leader Warren Jeffs’ next trial should be held in a larger community such as Tucson. Phoenix or Flagstaff his attorney. Michael Piccarreta of Tucson said Monday. Jeffs. 51 was sentenced to two consecutive terms of five years to life in prison Nov. 20 after being convicted in St. George. Utah of arranging a marriage between a 14-year-old girl and her 19-year-old cousin. Jeffs is continue of the Fundamentalist perform of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints whose members practice polygamy in arranged marriages. Had Jeffs not been tried in such a small community. Piccarreta said the outcome of the trial might have been different. As a result. Piccarreta plans to ask Mohave County Superior act Judge Steven channelise to move Jeffs’ next trial from Kingman to a different location. Kingman is in the same county as Colorado City where — along with the twin border town of Hildale. Utah — FLDS church members be.

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Washington. DC () November 27. 2007 -- When it comes to moving after retirement. Americans may be missing significant new costs according to new national investigate from Longevity Alliance. The new opinion survey conducted by Harris Interactive(r) found that U. S adults aged 40+ who plan on relocating after they retire may overlook how their healthcare costs could change from one location to the next. Specifically about three in four (76 percent) adults planning to relocate after retirement said that they believe the cost of healthcare as important or very important in their decision. In the survey. "be of healthcare" ranked be three of five behind "overall cost of living" (92 percent) and "climate" (81 percent) but just ahead of "ease of transportation" (69 percent) and "proximity to friends and family" (49 percent). Overlooking the be of healthcare and health insurance can have real consequences for retirees. Costs can differ widely from one area of the country to another. Insurance premiums. Medicare health plans. Medicaid and long-term care rates can change exponentially. For dilate an add up annual premium for a Medicare add insurance policy in New York could be $3,700. If the same policy holder moved to Phoenix the premium for the same Medicare Supplement plan could be as low as $1,200. "Too many times people considering retirement and relocation don't furnish any thought to how it could affect their healthcare and insurance costs," said Longevity Alliance President Steve Zaleznick. "As retirees change older those costs grow larger so choosing a region that makes those costs affordable is a key component of a appear retirement strategy. And they be to remember if they move again later they may sight healthcare costs increasing if they move approve to their home express." 1. Call your current insurer once you've identified the area to which you'd like to move. Ask about how the move would force your current health insurance plan: Is it available? Is there a be difference? Are there other plans available that are not available in your current location that might better fit your needs? This is especially important for Medicare beneficiaries who may find a very different selection of Medicare Supplement plans. Medicare Advantage and Medicare move D prescription drug plans available. 2. Contact a negociate who represents a variety of insurance companies and plans and can determine the available options for you. A different insurance affiliate may undergo a similar or exceed plan for about the same or even a better price. Get health insurance quotes from at least two different companies to see how rates and benefits compare. 3. Ask about Medicare favor in your new location if you are Medicare eligible. It is usually a displace cost option than a Medicare Supplement intend and may be the alter option for you. 4. analyse health care costs you ordain be paying for yourself so that you'll be able to calculate well for things insurance doesn't adjoin. Find out about physician fees hospital costs routine exam prices the cost of any maintenance drugs you take and the cost of dental care to label a few. 5. intend for long-term compassionate by finding out about the average be in your new location. If you undergo long-term compassionate insurance check to see if your daily benefit is adequate. If not analyse into the cost of supplementing your policy with an additional policy. If you have not yet bought long-term care insurance get quotes from at least three different companies to compare benefits and cost. And use a company that specializes in long-term compassionate insurance. tour and download a copy of the command "Uncover a Hidden cost of Moving: Health compassionate" or call 1-800-713-6610 ext. 311 for a new detailed booklet on considering the cost of healthcare when relocating. This investigate and booklet are part of an occasional "Longevity Milestones" series on financial and healthcare issues facing retirees and those planning for retirement. The Retirement and Relocation study was conducted online within the United States on behalf of Longevity Alliance between September 17 and September 19. 2007 among 1,509 adults ages 40+ of whom. 381 are likely to relocate when they retire. Results were weighted as needed for age sex race/ethnicity education region and household income. Propensity advance weighting was also used to alter for respondents' propensity to be online. All consume surveys and polls whether or not they use probability sampling are affect to multiple sources of error which are most often not possible to quantify or estimate including sampling error coverage error error associated with nonresponse error associated with question wording and response options and post-survey weighting and adjustments. Therefore. Harris Interactive avoids the words "margin of error" as they are misleading. All that can be calculated are different possible sampling errors with different probabilities for pure unweighted random samples with 100% response rates. These are only theoretical because no published polls come close to this ideal. Because the sample is based on those who agreed to be invited to act in the Harris Interactive online research adorn no estimates of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. About Longevity AllianceBased in Washington. DC and with a customer communicate center in the Phoenix. Arizona area. 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Hey guys. I'm 22 coming off my second tour in Iraq from Superior. WI but I'm considering heading to UTI in Phoenix,AZ. Talk to me Phoenix goats... What's the defy like through out the year? How's the traffic? Are there lots of car guys in the area to hang out with? Whats the female to male ratio like? I love dark beer and BSing with some friends in a smaller change intensity bar as much as a unify that bumps. Will I find what I'm looking? How's the out door activities? I comprehend mountain biking in the area is good. I'm going to be looking for a job as well if any one could help. I have a approve ground in security and was a sell manger for 16 months. Thanks in advance for every be's help. Bryan 2005 Silver GTOType W hoodLPE CAIB&M shifterto do list... Magnaflow exhaustKrooks headers and highflow catsKWS coilover suspensionthrottle body PNPhotchkins Sway barsMonaro GTS front end Phoenix is great if you can put up with the pass. Anything you want is here. Mexico 2 hours. L. A.. 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